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د. حازم 06-09-2009 05:19 PM

Assalamoe aleikum,
Always. Allah Akbar
Thank you for your wise words
. It is so true what you are saying.

الطامعة في رضا ربها 06-09-2009 08:19 PM

[LEFT][QUOTE][B][FONT=Traditional Arabic][SIZE=5]Assalamoe aleikum,
Always. Allah Akbar
Thank you for your wise words
. It is so true what you are saying[/SIZE][/FONT][/B][/QUOTE]


[FONT=Comic Sans MS][SIZE=4][COLOR=seagreen]Wa alikom alsalam wa rahmato Allah wa baraktoh[/COLOR][/SIZE][/FONT]
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[FONT=Comic Sans MS][SIZE=4][COLOR=seagreen]May Allah bless you..[/COLOR][/SIZE][/FONT][/LEFT]

الطامعة في رضا ربها 06-09-2009 10:32 PM

[LEFT][FONT=Times New Roman][B][SIZE=6][COLOR=red]Did God become Man?[/COLOR][/SIZE][/B][/FONT][/LEFT]



[LEFT][FONT=Times New Roman][SIZE=5][COLOR=navy]The question which remains is Did God become Man? Logically speaking, the answer is no, because the concept of God becoming man contradicts the basic meaning of the term "God." People commonly say that God is able to do all things; whatever He wants to do, He can do. In the Bible of Christians it is said,"… through God all things are possible (Matthew, 19:26; Mark 10:27, 14:36)."[/COLOR][/SIZE][/FONT][/LEFT]

[LEFT][FONT=Times New Roman][SIZE=5][COLOR=navy]The Qur'aan of Muslims states,[/COLOR][/SIZE][/FONT]
[FONT=Times New Roman][SIZE=5][COLOR=navy]"Indeed, Allah (God) is able to do all things." [/COLOR][/SIZE][/FONT]
[FONT=Times New Roman][SIZE=5][COLOR=navy][Quran 2:20][/COLOR][/SIZE][/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman][SIZE=5][COLOR=navy] [/COLOR][/SIZE][/FONT]
[FONT=Times New Roman][SIZE=5][COLOR=navy]and the Hindu scriptures carry t exts of similar.. meanings.[/COLOR][/SIZE][/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman][SIZE=5][COLOR=navy]All the major religious t exts contain general expressions regarding the basic concept of God's omnipotence. He is Greater than all things, and through Him all things are possible. If this general concept is to be translated into practical terms, one has to first identify and understand the basic attributes of God. Most societies perceive God as an eternal being without beginning or end. If, on the basis that God is able to do all things, and it was asked whether God could die, what would be the answer? Since dying is part of "all things," can it be said, "If He wants to?" Of course this cannot be said.[/COLOR][/SIZE][/FONT]
[FONT=Times New Roman][SIZE=5][COLOR=navy]So, there is a problem here. God is defined as being ever living, without end, and dying means" coming to an end." Consequently, to ask if He can die is actually a nonsensical question. It is self-contradictory. Similarly, to ask whether God can be born, is also absurd because God has already been defined as eternal, having no beginning. Being born means having a beginning, coming into existence after not existing. In this same vein, atheist philosophers enjoy asking theists: "Can God create a stone too heavy for Him to lift?" If the theist says yes, it means that God can create something greater than Himself. And if he says no, it means that God is unable to do all things.[/COLOR][/SIZE][/FONT]
[FONT=Times New Roman][SIZE=5][COLOR=navy]Therefore, the term "all things" in the phrase "God is able to do all things" excludes the absurdities. It cannot include things that contradict His divine attributes; things that would make Him less than God, like, forgetting, sleeping, repenting, growing, eating, etc. Instead, it includes only " all things" that are consistent with Him being God. This is what the statement "God is able to do all things" means. It cannot be understood in the absolute sense; it must be qualified.[/COLOR][/SIZE][/FONT]
[SIZE=3][FONT=Times New Roman][COLOR=navy][SIZE=5]The claim that God became man is also an absurdity. It is not befitting of God to take on human characteristics because it means that the Creator has become His creation. However, the creation is a product of the creative act of the Creator. If the Creator became His creation, it would mean that the Creator created Himself, which is an obvious absurdity. To be created, He would first have to not exist, and, if He did not exist, how could He then create? Furthermore, if He were created, it would mean that He had a beginning, which also contradicts His being eternal. By definition creation is in need of a creator. For created beings to exist they must have a creator to bring them into existence. God cannot need a creator because God is the Creator. Thus, there is an obvious contradiction in terms. The claim that God became His creation implies that He would need a creator, which is a ludicrous concept. It contradicts the fundamental concept of God being [/SIZE][/COLOR][/FONT][/SIZE][SIZE=3][FONT=Times New Roman][COLOR=navy][SIZE=5]uncreated, needing no creator and being the Creator.[/SIZE][/COLOR][/FONT][/SIZE]
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الطامعة في رضا ربها 06-09-2009 10:36 PM

[LEFT][FONT=Times New Roman][SIZE=5][B][COLOR=red]Can Man Become God?[/COLOR][/B][/SIZE][/FONT][/LEFT]



[LEFT][FONT=Times New Roman][SIZE=5][COLOR=seagreen]Man is a finite being (i.e., creation). Man is born, and the dies. These are characteristics which cannot be attributed to God because they equate Him with His creation. Therefore, God did not and will not ever become man. On the other hand, man also cannot become God. The created cannot become its own creator. The created at one time did not exist. It came into being by the creative act of a Creator who always existed. What is nonexistent cannot make itself exist.[/COLOR][/SIZE][/FONT][/LEFT]


[LEFT][FONT=Times New Roman][SIZE=5][COLOR=seagreen]As for the parallel concept that the human soul or spirit is divine, it is a way of claiming that man can become God. This philosophy forms the foundation of Greek, Christian and Muslim mysticism, as well as Hindu theology, and extends divinity to all humans and possibly all living creatures. It starts from the premise that, at some time in history of the universe, bits and pieces of God became surrounded by material bodies and were confined to the earth. In other words, the infinite became contained in the finite. This belief attributes pure evil to God and ultimately eliminates the meaning of good and evil all together. When the human soul intends evil and does it by God's permission, such an act is purely evil and worthy of punishment. Hence, the concept of karma was invented. Whatever goes around comes around. Karma explains inexplicable suffering by claiming that it is the consequence of evil in a previous life. God ultimately punishes any evil done by the parts of Himself within man. However, if human souls have independent wills from God, they cannot be at the same time God. Thus, each human becomes himself a god.[/COLOR][/SIZE][/FONT][/LEFT]

الطامعة في رضا ربها 06-09-2009 10:38 PM

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[LEFT][FONT=Times New Roman][COLOR=navy][SIZE=5]If God did not become Man, did He have a son? Since He is able to do all things, He should be able to have a son. However, this claim reduces God to the lowly status of His creation. Creatures procreate by giving birth to mini versions of themselves that later grow up and reproduce copies of themselves, and so on and so forth. Dogs have puppies, cats have kittens, cows have claves, and men have children. So, what does God have – a baby God? Gods must give birth to Gods. But, for God to have a son, there has to exist another God besides Him. It is not befitting for God to have a son as such an act equates Him with His creation.[/SIZE][/COLOR][/FONT]
[FONT=Times New Roman][COLOR=navy][SIZE=5]Everything other than God comes into existence by the commandment of God, not that God becomes His creation or a part of God becomes creation. God does not become His creation nor does God give birth to creation. God is God, the Creator, and man and the contents of the universe are His creation. Although humans cannot grasp the concept of creation from nothing, that is exactly what God did and does. He alone creates from nothing, which is among the attributes that make Him unique and distinct from His creation. His act of creation is entirely different from that of human beings.[/SIZE][/COLOR][/FONT]
[FONT=Times New Roman][COLOR=navy][SIZE=5]This was the essence of the message of all the true messengers and prophets of God sent to humanity – Abraham, Moses, Jesus and Muhammad – as well as those sent throughout the world whose names are now unknown to humanity – may God's eace and blessings be on them all. Today, this precise message can only be found in the Qur'aan; the last scripture revealed by God to humankind. The message remains loud and clear only in the Qur'aan because it has remained unchanged since the time of its revelation, one thousand four hundred years ago, until today.[/SIZE][/COLOR][/FONT]
[FONT=Times New Roman][COLOR=navy][SIZE=5]God states in the Qur'aan for those who make Him like His creation or vice versa:[/SIZE][/COLOR][/FONT]
[FONT=Times New Roman][COLOR=navy][SIZE=5]"There is nothing similar to Him." [Quran 42:11][/SIZE][/COLOR][/FONT]
[FONT=Times New Roman][COLOR=navy][SIZE=5]He also states for those who attributed to Him a son:[/SIZE][/COLOR][/FONT]
[FONT=Times New Roman][COLOR=navy][SIZE=5]"But is is not suitable for Ar-Rahmaan (the Most beneficent _Allah) that He should beget a child." [Quran 19:92][/SIZE][/COLOR][/FONT]
[FONT=Times New Roman][COLOR=navy][SIZE=5]He further states for those who believe that He created the world from Himself:[/SIZE][/COLOR][/FONT]
[FONT=Times New Roman][COLOR=navy][SIZE=5]"If He wishes anything to exist, He merely commands it: 'Be', and it is." [Quran 36:82] [/SIZE][/COLOR][/FONT]
[FONT=Times New Roman][COLOR=navy][SIZE=5]For the polytheists He states:[/SIZE][/COLOR][/FONT]
[FONT=Times New Roman][COLOR=navy][SIZE=5]"There was no other god along with Him, for if there were each would have taken away what he created and tried to overcome the other." [Quran 23:9][/SIZE][/COLOR][/FONT]
[FONT=Times New Roman][COLOR=navy][SIZE=5]He asks the atheists:[/SIZE][/COLOR][/FONT]
[FONT=Times New Roman][COLOR=navy][SIZE=5]"Did nothing create them or did they create themselves?" [Quran 52:35][/SIZE][/COLOR][/FONT]
[FONT=Times New Roman][COLOR=navy][SIZE=5]And in reference to Jesus and his mother, Mary, He confirmed their humanity by saying simply:" They both used to eat food." [Quran 5:75][/SIZE][/COLOR][/FONT]
[FONT=Times New Roman][COLOR=navy][SIZE=5]The concept of God not becoming man is very important for every human being to grasp because it lies at the foundation of the difference between Islam and al other existing religions. All other religions have a distorted concept of God, to one degree or another. The most important idea which needs to be understood, is that God did not become man. God is unique; He alone deserves to be worshipped by His creation. To believe that a man is God or that a man became God and to worship that man is the greatest sin and the greatest evil that humans can do on this earth. This understanding is most important because it forms the foundation for salvation. There can be no salvation without it. However, this belief alone is not the key salvation. True, correct belief must be translated into practice, and not merely remain in the realm of knowledge, for it to become pure faith. A person has to live a righteous life based on the correct belief to attain salvation. Nevertheless, the starting point is, knowing who God is, knowing that God never became and will never become a human being.[/SIZE][/COLOR][/FONT]
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الطامعة في رضا ربها 06-09-2009 10:42 PM

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الطامعة في رضا ربها 06-09-2009 10:45 PM

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[B][FONT=Comic Sans MS][SIZE=5][COLOR=red]Allhamdo lilah... Make du'aa for me[/COLOR][/SIZE][/FONT][/B]

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تحب ربها 06-10-2009 03:48 AM

[SIZE="4"][COLOR="Red"]Peace be upon you and Allah's mercy and blessings[/COLOR][/SIZE]
[SIZE="5"][COLOR="Blue"]God bless my beloved covet the Vicki Reza Lord
And ask Almighty God to guide you to love and a satisfactory
I love you in God[/COLOR][/SIZE]

الطامعة في رضا ربها 02-01-2011 09:17 PM

[COLOR=red]Thank u my dear ..[/COLOR]
[COLOR=red]I love u to in Allah ..[/COLOR]

[COLOR=yellowgreen]~May Allah bless u[/COLOR]


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